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Tuesday, November 15, 2011

WEEK 3, DEBATE 2: Luol Deng vs. Paul Millsap


        

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Who would you rather have this season: Luol Deng or Paul Millsap?

DENG'S REP:
"According to Jordan, Luol’s impact on the floor is necessary for the Bulls' success. He averaged 39.1 mins/game, 4th highest in the NBA. Come Playoffs that was upped to 43 mins/game. Luol can lock down defensively some of the NBA’s greatest stars and has shown the ability to create his own shot, as well as step back and hit from the perimeter (career-high 115 3-pointers during 2010-11). Compared to Millsap (a one-dimensional low post player), Luol has demonstrated he can play the post, play the 2, and even play the point for one of the best teams in the NBA. Millsap had 29 double-doubles when starting half of the 08-09 games. As a full-time starter, he only posted 19 double-doubles. When Millsap plays against other team’s starters, he clearly is less effective. Millsap is an awesome bench player, but against the league’s elite his ability becomes 'sapped.'"

MILLSAP'S REP:
"Your problem is that you’re focusing on the quantity of Deng’s minutes, not the quality. Deng may play lots of minutes, but what does he do with that time? Not much. In PER (player efficiency) Millsap clocks in at 19.8 whereas Deng is 15.5 (average is 15). According to the PER guide, it’s the difference between a “Borderline All-Star” and a “3rd Banana.” If Millsap is one-dimensional, then Deng must be no-dimensional, because Millsap dominated Deng in virtually every major statistical category (per 36 minutes) this last season with 2.2 more points, 2.7 more rebounds, and nearly identical assists (which is pathetic since you claim Deng can play PG). Hell, even Millsap’s three-point % is better. Deng, whose only real strength is scoring, was still the third-leading scorer on the Bulls. And how many double-doubles did Deng get last season with all those minutes? Eight. Which is fewer than 19."



DENG'S REP:
"The problem is you use statistics like a drunken man uses lampposts – for support rather than for illumination. Worse still, you spit useless statistics to me. People generally reference Hollinger’s PER formula without even regarding its validity. It’s made-up, and PER gives undue props to a player’s contribution in limited minutes or against a team’s second unit. I never compared Deng’s and Millsap’s double-doubles. They play different positions. Some bench player can come in, hit a shot a game, have an assist, grab two boards, and his “per 36 minutes” would be off the chart. When Millsap starts and plays against 'starters' he gets dominated and is lost. Is there a coincidence as to why the Jazz won with Boozer playing the low post, and when Millsap took over they were nothing close to being the same team (and with Deron)? Deng wins me more games (for the season)."

MILLSAP'S REP:
"At least I am trying to base my argument on something, rather than using unsubstantiated opinions and the musings of Jordan (who is clearly a great judge of talent based on his experience with the Wizards). Millsap was a starter all year and played starter minutes against other superior competition in the West, and still posted better numbers. Also, the Jazz implosion was tied to their veteran coach leaving mid-season and rebuilding with new players, not Milsap posting excellent numbers in the post. And Deng does not win you more games; Derrick Rose does, as was proven last year in their Eastern Conference Finals dismissal. Once Rose was shut down, Deng needed to step up and lead the team when he was most needed, and he failed to do this. While PER doesn’t capture the intangibles, Deng did not display them last year when he was needed most. No stats necessary."


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5 comments:

  1. Here's what I want to know: Where do you guys place Deng in terms of the hierarchy of the league's top perimeter defenders? Would you say he's top 5? Top 10? Outside the top 10? I don't think he's a as strong of a perimeter defender as James, Iguodala, T. Allen, or Lowry. I'd say he's in the mix with guys like Pierce, Wade, Rondo, and Chris Paul. And, truth be told, I'm not entirely sure he's the best perimeter defender on the Bulls; Ronnie Brewer gives him serious run for his money. So I'd say Top 10 seems reasonable, but not Top 5. What do you guys think?

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  2. Deng's defensive prowess is certainly among the best in the league. Top 10 seems fair. Does the fact that last season was the first since 2006-07 that Deng played more than 70 games matter to anyone? Or that the Jazz thought so highly of their logjam at the four and five spots that they drafted another big man (Enes Kanter) with the #3 pick? I like the Alec Burks pick at #11, by the way. I just hope he turns out better than Kirk Snyder did for the Jazz, who I also really liked coming out of college. Anybody else have any rookie sleepers? And if this season does get cancelled, how insane is next year's Rookies vs. Sophs game going to be?

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  3. Deng wins. This is no contest!

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  4. Anonymous, why do you think Deng should win so decisively?

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  5. Millsap's rep stated that Luol only had 8 double doubles in comparison to Millsaps 19. Deng's rep didn't argue that Luol was a better double-double man. He simply was stating that when playing against "superior competition in the west" Paul's numbers are down. Luol plays a completely different position than down low, so who gives a rats ass as to why he only had 8 double-doubles. Deng may have not stepped up in the playoffs, but his team was there in the Eastern Conference Finals. I may have a cloudy memory, but didn't see the Jazz in any playoff series. The argument is who is the better player, not who didn't step up in the EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS in comparison to some player on a team WHO WASN'T EVEN CLOSE TO MAKING THE PLAYOFFS.

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